| Equivalential ( @ 2009-06-22 22:07:00 |
Today is headache day, forgive my rudeness
There are people who actually believe the Earth is cooling down. Er. 'Not heating up as badly as they say', I understand. 'The warming is part of a completely natural out-of-ice-age process', I understand. Cooling down? Just. No. Just because you get snow in June in one small part of the world doesn't mean the rest of us aren't going insane just trying to stay out of the heat. While the temperature is pretty much the same in summer, what the temperates find humid is somewhat laughable as far as humidity goes.
/tropical person.
I think a lot of people are underestimating one effect of global warming, BTW. A lot of people say 'the dinosaurs survived the Mesozoic, and it was a hell of a lot hotter then'. True. But if you would note the change in vegetation and, well, fauna. Doesn't affect us because they're a bunch of weeds and animals anyway? Try thinking food crops that are starting to not do so well in the new weather patterns. Try thinking food chains that keep pests and rodents from overrunning towns more than they do today. It's not a save the tree huggers thing. It's not preventing the Biblical Flood thing. It's getting your food on the plate.
And on the life-was-here-life-will-be-here thing : Life will be here. It's just usually accompanied by mass extinctions.
And since we mentioned agriculture, I would like to say this : Those of us in agriculture-related fields and those other people in other fields tend to have very different views of what 'sustainable agriculture' means, methinks. Argued this a lot in Boston. A lot of people seem to think that as long as the resources are not used and Mother Nature is reasonably unharmed in the process of making food, everything is fine, and that is sustainable. We in ag tends to think that the farmers need to stay afloat while keeping Mother Nature reasonably unharmed within the keeping afloat criteria. Because really. Who's going to want to be farming a generation in if they can't make a profit out of it? Let alone farming that saves the environment? The hippies? The government? But we will, of course, bring our own prejudices into the matter. I have mine. But it's interesting how we need to talk about this and come to a consensus if this whole 'sustainable agriculture' thing is to benefit anyone at all.
There are people who actually believe the Earth is cooling down. Er. 'Not heating up as badly as they say', I understand. 'The warming is part of a completely natural out-of-ice-age process', I understand. Cooling down? Just. No. Just because you get snow in June in one small part of the world doesn't mean the rest of us aren't going insane just trying to stay out of the heat. While the temperature is pretty much the same in summer, what the temperates find humid is somewhat laughable as far as humidity goes.
/tropical person.
I think a lot of people are underestimating one effect of global warming, BTW. A lot of people say 'the dinosaurs survived the Mesozoic, and it was a hell of a lot hotter then'. True. But if you would note the change in vegetation and, well, fauna. Doesn't affect us because they're a bunch of weeds and animals anyway? Try thinking food crops that are starting to not do so well in the new weather patterns. Try thinking food chains that keep pests and rodents from overrunning towns more than they do today. It's not a save the tree huggers thing. It's not preventing the Biblical Flood thing. It's getting your food on the plate.
And on the life-was-here-life-will-be-here thing : Life will be here. It's just usually accompanied by mass extinctions.
And since we mentioned agriculture, I would like to say this : Those of us in agriculture-related fields and those other people in other fields tend to have very different views of what 'sustainable agriculture' means, methinks. Argued this a lot in Boston. A lot of people seem to think that as long as the resources are not used and Mother Nature is reasonably unharmed in the process of making food, everything is fine, and that is sustainable. We in ag tends to think that the farmers need to stay afloat while keeping Mother Nature reasonably unharmed within the keeping afloat criteria. Because really. Who's going to want to be farming a generation in if they can't make a profit out of it? Let alone farming that saves the environment? The hippies? The government? But we will, of course, bring our own prejudices into the matter. I have mine. But it's interesting how we need to talk about this and come to a consensus if this whole 'sustainable agriculture' thing is to benefit anyone at all.