Equivalential ([info]equivalent_t) wrote,
@ 2009-06-22 22:07:00
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Today is headache day, forgive my rudeness
There are people who actually believe the Earth is cooling down. Er. 'Not heating up as badly as they say', I understand. 'The warming is part of a completely natural out-of-ice-age process', I understand. Cooling down? Just. No. Just because you get snow in June in one small part of the world doesn't mean the rest of us aren't going insane just trying to stay out of the heat. While the temperature is pretty much the same in summer, what the temperates find humid is somewhat laughable as far as humidity goes.

/tropical person.

I think a lot of people are underestimating one effect of global warming, BTW. A lot of people say 'the dinosaurs survived the Mesozoic, and it was a hell of a lot hotter then'. True. But if you would note the change in vegetation and, well, fauna. Doesn't affect us because they're a bunch of weeds and animals anyway? Try thinking food crops that are starting to not do so well in the new weather patterns. Try thinking food chains that keep pests and rodents from overrunning towns more than they do today. It's not a save the tree huggers thing. It's not preventing the Biblical Flood thing. It's getting your food on the plate.

And on the life-was-here-life-will-be-here thing : Life will be here. It's just usually accompanied by mass extinctions.

And since we mentioned agriculture, I would like to say this : Those of us in agriculture-related fields and those other people in other fields tend to have very different views of what 'sustainable agriculture' means, methinks. Argued this a lot in Boston. A lot of people seem to think that as long as the resources are not used and Mother Nature is reasonably unharmed in the process of making food, everything is fine, and that is sustainable. We in ag tends to think that the farmers need to stay afloat while keeping Mother Nature reasonably unharmed within the keeping afloat criteria. Because really. Who's going to want to be farming a generation in if they can't make a profit out of it? Let alone farming that saves the environment? The hippies? The government? But we will, of course, bring our own prejudices into the matter. I have mine. But it's interesting how we need to talk about this and come to a consensus if this whole 'sustainable agriculture' thing is to benefit anyone at all.



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[info]rainy_takako
2009-06-23 04:53 am UTC (link)
Aren't they calling it "climate change" now because normal people are too dumb to know that "global warming" also means a range of drastic weather changes caused by heating of the earth's atmosphere, not that it just gets hot everywhere, all the time. And there are still people who think we shouldn't do anything about it because bureaucracy sucks and car companies will QQ and we'll have socialism and stuff! /eyeroll

I thought that most farmers were already switching crops because the situation only seems to be getting worse. And then there are all the people who protest genetically altered crops even if the genetic altering is beneficial? WTF.

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-06-23 01:00 pm UTC (link)
And when you call it 'climate change', people start saying that not all change is bad and we should just accept that the Earth's not going to stay the same forever. To which the rational reaction is facepalm.

On farmers : not on any meaningful scale, no. Our eating habits are too grounded for any large-scaled crop switching on a permanent scale; although you can see people planting drought-resistant crops instead of water-intensive ones in particularly dry years. And then the price will fluctuate and governments will piss their pants all over. It's kind of wonderful. Agricultural economics sort of follow its own rules, and people really don't want it to change in any way.

The anti-science, anti-industrial farming attitude we're starting to have nowadays isn't helping agricultural researchers, btw. I like going green and all, but if they think organic farming and community farms and little green men can feed the world population at the rate we're encouraged to have babies, they have another think coming.

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[info]hyperbeeeam
2009-06-23 07:03 am UTC (link)
“In fact, some of our meteorological stations on the eastern-Siberian coast have been registering colder temperatures since l995. The Holocene interglacial warm period has been going on for 11,000 years, already longer than any previous one. Its end is overdue.”

This, I will learn after talking with half a dozen other scientists in Moscow, is the Russian party line: it is starting to get colder, and the effect of human CO2 emissions on the world’s climate is negligible.


http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/arctic_oil200805

Why do I find the fact that it's Russia making such claims amusing. |D Haha.

I know what you mean, though. Just because snow fell somewhere else doesn't discount the temperature rise in the rest of the world. Some people simply love delusions... x_x

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-06-23 01:09 pm UTC (link)
........Oh Russia.

You will likely find it pleasant that one of the professors on my committee actually believes the Russian party line. And that warming things up is a good idea to prevent another ice age.

My university is still left-winged, yes.

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[info]harosketch
2009-06-23 09:13 am UTC (link)
Well, that's true. I know I'm one of those temperates whose ideas of hot and humid are laughable. But hey, it's because of what I'm used to.

The thing with global warming is that not everywhere may not heat up, but there will be an overall temperature rise though. There's so many theories as to what will happen. Like how the heat may cause the warm current that keeps Britain warm to slow down, thus we'll get colder. But it's only a theory. Only time will tell.

But either way, I agree that cooling down is not the right description here.

I always wonder if it happens in part to curb our population growth a little, like pandemics.

And farming is becoming increasingly less profitable. I wonder how long it is until something needs to be done to ensure our food supplies. Saving the environment is a very nice idea, but at the end of the day it makes things much more expensive.

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-06-23 01:06 pm UTC (link)
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090619/full/news.2009.586.html

They're publishing a more detailed model of UK's climate change now. :D Of course, who knows what will really happen, but.

I don't think anything happens expressedly to curb our population, though. I don't believe in a predetermined universe. But if you're saying it's a feedback effect our population growth causes, which is in turn likely to have negative effects on our population growth rate, I'd agree. You only get the amount of CO2 produced because our population has been booming for the past century. Ditto pandemics : they're pandemics because cities/communities are densely populated.

Eh, agriculture is usually the last thing in any politician's minds. They don't look attractive on the campaign paper, and it's invisible to most people (except community farms, since they can 'participate'). Everyone just assumes food is there and food won't go away, which is rather funny. The pastoral image of farmers leading peaceful lives with endless free time between planting and harvest and nature taking care of itself kind of doesn't help either, oh you Romantic poets you.

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[info]harosketch
2009-06-23 08:04 pm UTC (link)
That article was very interesting, thanks. I can't believe it is that accurate when subtle differences now mean large variations in the future. But hey.

Ahhh no I didn't mean to imply that fate is predetermined, because I don't believe in that. I meant the second bit.

Well, politicians don't tend to focus on the important bits, do they? They focus on the visible bits. Which comes back to get them when the invisible becomes visible expenses claims

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