Equivalential ([info]equivalent_t) wrote,
@ 2009-05-30 21:17:00
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Walking the Freedom Trail Tour gave me the following terribly mixed feelings :

Anglophile!ET : My God, do I really have to listen to this, Dear Program Scheduler?
HetaliaFan!ET : AWWWW ALFRED. *wibble*
HistoryFan!ET : Would the two of you please shut up, can you not see this is way more entertaining than the History Channel?

It kind of amused me though, when the tour turned out to be more like "Actually, England, you were unfair but not really unreasonable and we were kind of, um, both. Sorry? We were boorish pricks, yeah, but at least we were awesome boorish pricks?"

In other words : Dear internets, I am back from Boston. The town is stupidly gorgeous and the oysters were lovely. I also come back to a doujinshi shipment waiting for me at the post office and Hoshi's new glorious thing up at the comm and it hilariously is about Boston. Sorry for disappearing, hotel did not have free internet. How are you?

*My annoyance at The Boston Independence Thing wasn't really because I'm an anglophile. I am not that insane or unreasonable, and no matter how I fan him, I do not agree with Arthur. It's just that every single American thing I read as a kid exclaimed it as the greatest granddaddy of war against tyranny ever and as a person who swears by granddad's grave to always pay taxes properly, it grates. Being an anglophile simply means it doesn't help matters.

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[info]twistedsheets10
2009-05-31 03:11 am UTC (link)
We are well and you were missed. :)

I wish we had Hetalia when I was at school. It would have made learning so much more fun. And the field trips too.

Hoshi's new glorious thing up at the comm

Oh yes, that one is TRULY GLORIOUS. JUST. JUST.

(America's er, sexual awakening/lust/IDK on Empire!England was just HOT, even if I can barely understand what was going on: It was about the tea party?)

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-05-31 03:19 am UTC (link)
Our guide was awesome. XD I never imagined I would end up saying 'Sorry, England.' and actually get an answer in my entire life, but there it was.

That part where America pushed England down and tried to jerk him off? That's right smack dab in the middle of the Boston Massacre. Since I've been walking around the area a bit (including the old town hall and/or the old British customs office where that scene would have taken place), it was all kinds of hilarious glory. One hell of a cliffhangar ending, too, but it seems Hoshi has a follow-up coming? It's also sort of follow-up to part of Fine Again, Nanimokamo and Iikaeruto, btw. I love how it all links up. Let's just say that at this point, their relationship is messed up.

(Incidentally, the doujin I'm going to pick up on Monday morning is also a multi-parter Colonial!America/Imperial!England thing. I doubt it would be as good as Hoshi's, but the page count is good and it should be entertaining.)

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[info]twistedsheets10
2009-05-31 03:43 am UTC (link)
Our teachers were boring. :/

HOLY GOD. That's...an interesting experience. XD

It's pretty messed up. Heh. When I saw it I was wondering if the doujin was connected with the other doujins Hoshitamago made, especially Iikaeruto (which would explain why America was like that to England...). I'm guessing Hoshitamago's next piece is how the Revolutionary War began and started and ended.

I am at a loss. Why was America trying to jerk England off? Anger? Lust? frustration? trying to get him to acknowledge that America's an adult? All of the above?

(BTW, who was the random British guy that kissed England's hand? O_o)

...It is Colonial!Matsuri for this pair, isn't it? The doujin you have would be the third one I heard of.

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-05-31 03:58 am UTC (link)
It's connected to Iikaeruto, but in a bit of an unobvious way. Nanimokamo is Iikaeruto's sequel, and the British hand-kissing was lifted right off there, and that theme continued Don't Think It's Ordinary Love, in turn. In fact, I think the only posted Hoshitamago doujin that I can't see connected to the other in some form, theme-wise or timeline-wise, not counting Gakuen Hetalia, would be Sekai wo Wakatsu. (It is about the adult-child thing for America still, you can tell this is Hoshi's favourite theme, but the general handling is really different.) Hoshi probably had parts of the whole thing in her head, though, so the characterizations probably connect.

All of the above might be close. He's been frustrated about the taxation without representation thing. His lust was there for some time and the dance totally didn't help matters, considering the things he was thinking of when pushing England into that chair, and THEN a guy just had to run in and say The Soldiers Shot Your Citizens, Sir. Argument argument argument, England brought up the old 'little brother' phrase, America snaps and goes 'look at me, I've grown up, would a little brother do this?' It's more complicated than that, but that is the basic version. Quite shared among JFen, in fact, but Hoshi's details makes America a lot more fresh and his frustration entirely believable.

.....British soldier appears to be a random patriot and they're doing entirely nothing wrong. It's in America's head. Poor kid.

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[info]twistedsheets10
2009-05-31 04:14 am UTC (link)
..I need to hunt down my Hoshitamago scans and look at this stuff again. Nani is the one where England punches America, yes? O_o

Ah! Thanks for explaining! Oh America. I've seen the theme (I'm not your little brother anymore! *cue molestation*) around but yes, Hoshi has a way of rendering it very well. I don't know how she does it, aside from the details and the expression of their faces. You could just feel America snapping at that point.

(I did love that one panel of England that hints he isn't as unaware of his brother's attractiveness as he'd like to show) XD

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-05-31 04:27 am UTC (link)
Yes, Nani is the Punching Manga. XD It's really about America's desire to see all of England's expressions, for good or ill, and England's desire to present only the good sides of himself. Which leads to punching. But I daresay America's approach has improved since his colonial days. XD

I also love that. Favourite Imperial!England would be the one who might have fallen for America if he didn't have a truckload of issues, and was somewhat on the verge but not really falling. Oh well. I'd like to believe he eventually does so for the boy a few centuries later, anyway.

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[info]twistedsheets10
2009-05-31 04:45 am UTC (link)
Ahahaha. That was a particularly memorable punch. Oh America, you and your strange desires. (I like that France makes a cameo. And that the fairies seem to have an aversion for America)

XD England doesn't have issues. He owns the fucking publishing company. XD I like Mith and Puell's take on when England realized he was falling (or at least seen and desired America as a man), but in my head canon he does have these feelings pre-Revolution but he doesn't quite realize it (or the brotherly love is still strongest) or completely fall until a long time after the Revolution.

(and probably no sex between these two until WWI or WWII)

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-05-31 04:51 am UTC (link)
Haha. We English-speaking perverts seems to agree that he wasn't totally oblivious to his brother's change from boy to man, though. Just the degree of his feelings and how much he realizes it.

(No sex until the bloody Cold War for me. WWII would be when they stop ducking around each other, yes, but they would still be awkward.)

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[info]twistedsheets10
2009-05-31 05:07 am UTC (link)
That make me curious. Does JFen have a different interpretation or view on this? I know they have a different idea when in history these two hooked up/got married/IDK.

(ahaha. I see. Why Cold War, if you don't min me asking? I chose WWII because of the whole special relationship thing (and FDR/Churchill), but I'm guessing its in the Cold War that they really had the most collaboration together?)

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-05-31 05:20 am UTC (link)
Ahaha, the subject that bugs me. I'm still trying to write a long long essay on this, so here's the short version : England didn't think of America as anything more than a family he'd been wanting for a thousand years, a family to love him with no conditions. America had other ideas and wanted to be on equal footing in order for England to start seeing him as a man, so he rebelled. England went into a 200-year denial, but their various contacts within this time slowly allowed him to accept that America isn't his family, even though old wishes died hard and he occasionally slipped. After seeing that England finally saw him as another country by all rights, he started trying to get England's attention (his infamous mixed signals attacks) and eventually convince him that they may not be family, but they can still love each other as much as two strangers may love each other, much as they both hated the idea of being 'strangers', it's the only way forward. Happy ending. :D

Pretty much yes. And I have the impression that both of them would be too busy/too stressed out to actually shag in WWII, and not that comfortable with their 'romance' yet. But there would be kisses and almost-sex. A quieter period to allow them to process new developments would be needed, although it's not that long, since the Cold War in my head had been around since the 1950's. XD;

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[info]twistedsheets10
2009-05-31 06:12 am UTC (link)
That's going to be a long, long essay, I feel. (incidentally, someone's writing a ship manifesto for us/uk. I'm interested how that will turn out)

...this actually makes a LOT of sense. Heck, I'm even starting to like this better than what Western fandom turned up. It explains so much that's going on in the manga (perhaps Western fandom is more focused on history than the manga, IDK). Because I had the same feeling when I was reading the strips, that England wanted someone to have a family he could really love, and that was America.

I kinda like to think they kissed just after the Battle of Britain or somewhere near that time. XD

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-05-31 01:35 pm UTC (link)
Haha, are you beginning to see why I prefer to stay on that side of the fandom? XD With the exception of Mith and Puel, JFen generally handles Arthur quite a bit better as a character. My main beef with JFen is Al, though. He got shafted quite a bit, and while I understand that Japanese fans cannot be expected to know the American history as well or as passionately as American fans, that revolution should be a lot more complicated than 'I want to screw my brother but he's not looking at me as a possible, so I'm leaving the house'. That could be one of it and I liked the idea of that being among Al's list of reasons, but you wouldn't believe the number of times where that was his sole reason, and his feelings for Arthur was never confused.

It's right after they finished planning for D-Day, in my headcanon. XD

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[info]harosketch
2009-05-31 12:33 pm UTC (link)
I'm quite well, thank you. Missed you :D

It sounds like you had fun! Good to hear~ Your thoughts talking to each other amused me greatly.

Oysters?

"Hoshi's new glorious thing" is beautiful <3

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[info]equivalent_t
2009-05-31 01:36 pm UTC (link)
Oysters = Boston's famous food. Delicious, I tell you.

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[info]harosketch
2009-05-31 08:33 pm UTC (link)
Really? I've never been so keen on seafood, but they may be worth a try, if I ever go to Boston. First I need to go to America though!

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